Does John of Patmos prove Jesus is God in Revelation?

CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT: Jesus is God. According to the Apostle Paul, no one here on Earth sees clearly ( 1 Corinthians 13:12). In the Revelation of the Bible, Jesus sends His ‘angel’ to His Prophet John, ‘from heaven clearly’ (Revelation 22:16, 1 Corinthians 13:12).

RESPONSE: Christianity starts from the point of view that the “New Testament” is correct. However, Judaism does not start with that premise.

Paul was not a prophet and neither was John. Even if they were prophets, they would be false prophets.

If there will arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder of which he spoke to you happens, [and he] says, “Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us worship them,” you shall not heed the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream; for the Lord, your God, is testing you, to know whether you really love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul. (Deuteronomy 13:2-4)

The earliest writings of the “New Testament” are from Paul who did not even meet Jesus. The gospels are written by anonymous authors between 40 and 100 years after Jesus’ death. In addition, they were not eye witnesses. There are no actual writings from Jesus himself or even any eye witness testimonies.

Nobody even knows who “John” is who wrote Revelation. It may have been a number of people but it was not written by an eye witness.

Traditionally this John was said to be John, the son of Zebedee as attested to by Irenaeus.

Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]… (Against Heresies 5:30:1)

…as the elders who saw John, the disciple of the Lord, related that they had heard from him how the Lord used to teach in regard to these times… (Against Heresies 5:33:3)

However, Dionysius rejected the idea that the author of Revelation was John the Apostle.

Afterward he speaks in this manner of the Apocalypse of John. Some before us have set aside and rejected the book altogether, criticising [sic] it chapter by chapter, and pronouncing it without sense or argument, and maintaining that the title is fraudulent.

For they say that it is not the work of John, nor is it a revelation, because it is covered thickly and densely by a veil of obscurity. And they affirm that none of the apostles, and none of the saints, nor any one [sic] in the Church is its author, but that Cerinthus, who founded the sect which was called after him the Cerinthian, desiring reputable authority for his fiction, prefixed the name. (Church History 7:25:1-2)


CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT: In Revelation 22:6-9, that ‘angel’ tells us that He is one of God’s Holy Prophets and calls Jesus ‘Lord God of the Holy Prophets’. Seems logical to me that a Prophet sent from heaven to the Prophet John, By Jesus, telling us that Jesus is ‘Lord God of the Holy Prophets’, should be trusted.

RESPONSE: As for Revelation 22, if you read it carefully it is really saying that “Jesus” and the “angel” are one-and-the-same

Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place. (Revelation 22: 6 – NKJV)

John also the others to WORSHIP GOD (not Jesus).

Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.” (Revelation 22:9 – NKJV)


CHRISTIAN ARGUMENT: And if you should decide to not believe what the Prophet Jesus sent from heaven, ‘seeing clearly’, has to say, what happens to you? You will lose your eternal life, for subtracting from the Revelation, and God will remove your name from His ‘Book of Life’ (Revelation 22:19).

Guess who God is that removes your name from God’s ‘Book of Life’? Jesus is God who does that (Revelation 3:5). I am begging you to carefully make the intelligent decision.

RESPONSE: …and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Revelation 22:19 – NKJV)

As for this verse … Well, what about the church fathers who said that the book shouldn’t even have been included in the “New Testament”? Are they written out of the “book of life”?

He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels. (Revelation 3:5 – NKJV)

The whole idea of a “Book of Life” is stolen from Judaism – just like a lot of things in Christianity.

May they be erased from the book of life, and may they not be inscribed with the righteous. (Psalm 69:29)

The white garments are from Isaiah and the idea that if one obeys God then one’s sins will be forgiven and become white as snow but disobedience leads to being as crimson.

Learn to do good, seek justice, strengthen the robbed, perform justice for the orphan, plead the case of the widow. Come now, let us debate, says the Lord. If your sins prove to be like crimson, they will become white as snow; if they prove to be as red as crimson dye, they shall become as wool. If you be willing and obey, you shall eat the best of the land. (Isaiah 1:17-19)

It is God – and only God – who can forgive sins.

The idea of a “trinity” is against Tanach – God’s Word – so it can be rightly ignored.

I was raised an Evangelical Christian and remained one for half of my life. I studied and prayed and begged God to show me the truth. He did! That truth is Tanach and the ONENESS of God. I reject Jesus and I reject Christianity because it is false.

I can only hope that Christians will open their eyes and come to the truth of Torah and the Oneness of God.